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some letters - What is NO! to a flying parrot
shanlung
From: "shanlung9" <shanlung9@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu May 26, 2005 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: Now Aversive Conditioning; Was: Not too shabby...Real questions for us/ALL shanlung9
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Hi Mona,

Yes!

They are, in your words, "incredibly cognizant of the difference
between a squrt bottle and YOU!"

If they have a great relationship with you, use of aversive
conditioning can even be said as essential for a balanced amicable
relationship. That goes without saying that their personal character
must be considered. If you have a timid parrot to start with, no
aversive conditioning must be done.

Not that we went to be 'alpha' over them. But if you have a very
active and daring fid who love to explore and push the limits of what
they can do, you do need to let them know in no uncertain terms what
is not desired, but without hurting them.

'NO' is understood better by them then we may think. Their
interpretation of NO may be different at times.

How many of us have taken 'NO' at face value at all times even though
we clearly know what that word meant?

We may think 'ah! that surely do not apply to me at this time' or '
that must be a joke!'. They are smart, they are intelligent. That
may well be what attracted us to them in the first place.

Tinkerbell bite my buttons off my shirt even though I have said 'No
buttons' a thousand times to her. She heed only my hand pushing her
beak off. Then when I removed my hand, she remove half the button.



Warmest regards

Shanlung






--- In Freeflight@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Delgado"
<dougandmona@m...> wrote:
> Rex wrote:
>
> "Of course, but if an aversive stimulus causes a bird to avoid you
the
> stimulus is not being used appropriately. For example, like Shan
Lung
> and others, I use a squirt bottle to interrupt some behaviors. Most
of
> the time merely picking up the bottle is enough, and even if the
bird is
> squirted it often flys to me. Why? Probably because I react
positively
> to what the bird is doing NOW -- flying to me -- and not what it was
> doing a moment ago."
>
> or...another explanation, the bird associates the aversive as part
of the
> environment. They don't see it as we do, as punishment coming from
a
> punishing heirarchy. They see it as stimulus that they just avoid
and then
> they go on with their life - no big deal at all because they can
avoid it -
> the way we see aversives in a video game. In fact, they might
find the
> adrenaline rush is fun and seek it out. IMHO, parrots are
incredibly
> cognizant of the difference between a squrt bottle and YOU!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mona in Seattle
> Phinneus Fowl (aka Phinney) TAG
> Pretty Rita Cockatiel
> Babylon (Senegal Poicephalus)
> Doug (spousal unit)
>