Tinkerbell Legacy - Living with a flying parrot

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On birdtricks.com and bozos
shanlung
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I was uploading photos and videos yesterday Friday which took a long long time. In between those bouts of uploading, I visited www.greyforums.net .

There was this new thread there on ChetWomack (birdtricks.com) , a site that spammed of their products at so many sites. In that thread, those 2 brothers were referred to as bozo brothers, a term that I endorsed.

That thread is here

http://www.greyforums.net/forums/african-grey/109965-chetwwomack-bird-trickscom.html

I read what mattptresi wrote and I could not but respond. I extracted two of my postings from that thread. You can see my postings in its context via URL above.


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[b]mattpatresi wrote:[/b]
[quote]mmm. I wouldn't be so harsh on them. Yes, they're a business, but, if you watch their vids, they seem to have a knack. And stick training is only a small part of it. Seems to me that, to make their stuff work, you need many hours a day, and total consistency, which I don't think many of us can afford. They make it work because it's their job and they can dedicate to it their full-time attention.[/quote]


ha ha ha!

Need many hours a day?

Or it is your fault you cannot follow their CDs?

What other built in excuses did they manufactured with their CDs?


ha ha ha
ho ho ho

Didn't Andrew lose his Tui because Andrew was stupid enough to base his training of Tui on Chet CD?

I cannot afford to spend many hours a day on Tinkerbell,or Yingshiong, or now with Riamfada

AND I DO NOT NEED TO KEEP THEM STARVED THAT THEY MUST BEG FOR FOOD EITHER TO DO 'TRICKS'.

I think I did not spend more than 30 minutes each day on training them, especially with Riamfada now.

Riam came to me 6 weeks ago, fearful of hands and would not step up.

Here he was, last Saturday, outdoor with me and flying to me on recall


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The image above is from Riamfada 2nd outing in this blog


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:-)

Thank you folks.

My blog documented clearly the behavioural problems of Riamfada when he first came to me.

And how step by step I overcame that.

I never thought of how much 'training time' I spend until I read this thread and that assertion that those bozo trainers spend 4-5 hours 'training'.

I wonder how many mindless repititions of step ups and stuff that would entail as if parrots are marionettes. Ah yes, STARVE them so that they crawl and beg and do whatever you want of them?

*puke*

I thought back and believe I did not spend more than 12 minutes of 'training time' each day with Riamfada.

We spend lots of time being together, with him doing his thing and I doing my thing. We do not need to gooey eye each other all the time.

Sometime later today, I would upload him flying to named places at home and other videos.

You seen his response to my cues to be military like response in most cases when he felt like it.

I wrote all that and charged not a penny, other than requests you give to animal charity if you can and you find what I wrote useful.

Whereas bozos who gave crap, charge you all through the nose got folks running to him, money in fists,queing up to be ripped off in hope bozos in a CD or two will give you a private road to promised land.

The last person with that private road to promised land we got to know was Madoff.

Maybe I should charge an arm and leg. But I just cannot promise you promised land. I cannot lie through my teeth, or via finger tips on keyboard.

Then maybe more will read what I have done, and more likely to get results than from those bozos.

If Andrew read me instead of relying on bozos CD, his Tui might still be with him.

And if he searched actively as what I tried to advise him instead of moaning that my writings of how I gotten Tinkerbell back provided him no magic bullets other than promise of lots of hard painful work for him, he might have gotten Tui back.

But what I wrote was free, and no cost, and therefore 'worthless'

So that is how it is in the real world.

Maybe I should just go back to smelling roses instead.

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editted on 21 Dec 08 to include my latest rant on this

Do not let the loss of Tui to be in vain.

That if Tui died, that death not be a useless needless death.

Even if Andrew was that stupid to start with, its those bozo brothers that lead him on with their @$%^*()_&^% crap in their CDs.

What other parrots that got lost that we did not know about?

Why analyse what bozos had written? Part they must have stolen from others, part must be from b grade movies they seen, part of that a whole load of crap they made up.

What they write make me want to puke.

So bozo brothers can make their fast bucks and go laughing all the way to their banks?

I hope bozo brothers kept their money in Madoff funds.

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edited on 19 Dec 2011 to add the following for those who truly want to bond and train with parrots

Understanding the mentality of your grey & other parrots
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/2187.html

How to live with a flighted parrot at home and taking out the parrot safely in harness
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/8284.html


How to do Free Flight Outside (You see what I have done with Riamfada above just a year or so later on)
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/129976.html

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editted on 21 April 2012 to include below
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I thought I write here something I plagiarised from what I wrote in another forum just a short while ago. And which obviously apply to you too.

CAGs are just so painfully intelligent that their personalities will never be the same.
What I did with Tinkerbell will not be what I did with Riamfada and vice versa.

I do not mold them into what I want. I mold myself to what they are, and teaching them what is acceptable and not acceptable.

When I was wrong, I accepted their chastisements on me in the same way they accepted my chastisements.
Training is a two way road.

All those I knew, be they dog or cat or horse family, told me without exception that the CAG was head and shoulders above them all.

I met trainers of dolphins, of great apes, of killer whales, and who happened to have CAGs. It is humbling to hear from them that they felt CAGs showed far greater intelligence than the other sentients that they trained with.


Give them love, respect, courtesy and dignity due to intelligent sentients equal to yourself.

You get that all back, together with the magic that only they can add.

You understand better why your best chance to succeed is to be friends with them and never as the alpha notwithstanding what the bulk of others might want you to think.

With CAGs of that level of intelligence that surpassed the major recognised intelligent sentients such as great apes, dolphins and killer whales, how ludicrous it is to think one is above them and we are to impose our wills on them.

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Without that kind of relationship, I would not have been able to do
what you see below.


Below are some photos of Riamfada flying with Tinkerbell harness

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or calling Dommie to come through tide pools to me and seeing him doing just that.

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http://shanlung.livejournal.com/104066.html

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http://shanlung.livejournal.com/119935.html

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FREE FLIGHT IS LIFE AND DEATH PLEASE DO NOT TRY THIS YOURSELF UNLESS YOU DO KNOW.
NEVER EVER FREE FLY WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE AS THIS CAN LEAD TO LOSS AND DEATH OF YOUR BIRD.




Riamfada is doing free flights as well in areas that I felt are safe enough for us to do that after a year of flights in harness and leash.




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Thoughts on free flights // Riamfada last weekend with Jabris
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/110450.html


Her freeflights were recorded here

http://shanlung.livejournal.com/2010/01/

http://shanlung.livejournal.com/2010/02/


FREE FLIGHT IS LIFE AND DEATH PLEASE DO NOT TRY THIS YOURSELF UNLESS YOU DO KNOW.
NEVER EVER FREE FLY WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE AS THIS CAN LEAD TO LOSS AND DEATH OF YOUR BIRD.


Chile // Riamfada free flights at the edge of Rub Al Khali
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/112019.html

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Then soul searching in

Reflections on Riamfada at edge of the Empty Quarter and some rants
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/112576.html

followed by

Free flights at Edge of Rub Al Khali Revisited
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/112689.html



Important old letters on harness
Harness for flighted parrots – To Nick and folks
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/8284.html

August, 2005.
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/2005/08/

‘ cargo cult'
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/100244.html

'Ramadan & Kitties on beach// Chess -1st Saturday IM Tournament // Tinkerbell Harness for Piper '
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/104066.html



Making of Tinkerbell Mash
Morning with Harry & the decision// Sultan of Oman Palace// Tinkerbell Mash Batch 7
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/109957.html

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(edited on 4th November 2011 to include below)

To Shanlung - How to do Free Flight Outside
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/129976.html
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If what I wrote help you and you like to help, give a thought
for the wildlife sharing our planet.
Do write that cheque to Gerald Durrell wildlife trust
http://www.durrellwildlife.org/

or to any wildlife conservation body of your choice

NEVER EVER HAVE CLEAR GLASS WINDOWS WHERE YOUR BIRD IS FLOWN.
COVER COVER THEM PLEASE.
YOU MIGHT NOT BE AS LUCKY AS I WAS.







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